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  <title>Non ci sono pił i costruttori di una volta - Forum del Portale q4q5.it</title> 
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    <title>Non ci sono pił i costruttori di una volta (Freddy)</title>
	<description>Commenti alla notizia: <a href="/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6288">Non ci sono pił i costruttori di una volta</a></description>
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    <pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2014 14:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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	<author>Freddy</author>
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    <title>Re: Non ci sono pił i costruttori di una volta (rossana)</title>
	<description><p><strong>Resto sempre piu&amp;#39; allibita ,ogni volta che fanno un lavoro&amp;nbsp; ci devono rimettere le mani piu&amp;#39; volte, spero solo che gli facciano pagare i danni &amp;nbsp; , senza danneggiare i cittadini. Sarebbe ora che la magistratura controllasse anche a chi si danno gli appalti e i materiali che stanno usando durante le escuzione dei lavori, solo cosi&amp;#39; forse cambierebbero le cose. I cittadini stanno perdendo la fiducia su tutto&amp;nbsp; e non hanno piu&amp;#39; stima&amp;nbsp; neanche di chi ci governa. Troppi intrallazi politici , ruberie, truffe, , a chi credere? di chi fidarsi?. Grazie a voi riusciamo a sapere cosa succede nella nostra citta&amp;#39;, e nei nostri quartieri. </strong></p><p><strong>distinti saluti rossana</strong> </p>

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    <pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2014 17:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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	<author>rossana</author>
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    <title>Re: Non ci sono pił i costruttori di una volta (Freddy)</title>
	<description><p>Il Caff&amp;egrave;, riporta il nostro articolo:</p><p>http://www.ilcaffe.tv/articolo/8699/con-un-po-di-pioggia-il-sottopasso-rischia-di-crollare-pericolo-per-le-auto</p><p>fc <br /></p>

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    <pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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	<author>Freddy</author>
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    <title>Re: Non ci sono pił i costruttori di una volta (Salvatore)</title>
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Se uno ha visto almeno una volta in vita sua dei lavori fatti a regola d&amp;rsquo;arte, poi non pu&amp;ograve; fare finta di niente quando vede la sciatteria con cui fanno i lavori pubblici a Latina!! </span></p>  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%">Nei<span>&amp;nbsp; </span>paesi dove i lavori vengono eseguiti a regola d&amp;rsquo;arte, il &amp;ldquo;rilevato&amp;rdquo;<sup>(1)</sup> per sostenere una strada si costruisce con un preciso metodo, sommando vari strati di materiale ciascuno con specifiche caratteristiche e granulometria. Ogni strato viene posato con precisione, bagnato e compattato a lungo. I bordi del rilevato vengono poi rivestiti di terra e infine con zolle d&amp;rsquo;erba o con &amp;ldquo;biostuoie&amp;rdquo; <sup>(2)</sup>.</span></p>  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%">In questo modo la strada che sar&amp;agrave; costruita (a regola d&amp;rsquo;arte) sopra il rilevato durer&amp;agrave; 50 anni, poich&amp;egrave; niente e nessuno gli scalzer&amp;agrave; le fondamanta.</span></p>  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%">A Latina, dove i lavori vengono sempre eseguiti con somma sciatteria, il rilevato &amp;egrave; di solito un insulso cumulo di detriti di varia natura, frettolosamente accumulati e malcoppattati. La scarpata viene rivestita di terra mista a detriti e spazzatura di vario tipo e lasciata alla mench&amp;egrave; delle erbacce infestanti, sperando che queste crescano prima che la pioggia dilavi ed eroda troppo la scarpata. </span></p>  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%">Nel rilevato che sostiene la SR 148 Pontina nei pressi del sottopasso appena costruito, &amp;egrave; successo esattamente questo: le erbacce e le varie infestanti (Rovi, Canne, Robinia, Ailanto...) non hanno fatto in tempo ad insediarsi che &amp;egrave; arrivato un acquazzone! La pioggia e l&amp;rsquo;acqua debordata dal sedime stradale hanno eroso pesantemente il rilevato, tanto che la strada soprastante (sicuramante costruita con la consueta sciatteria a cui siamo purtroppo abituati) ha ceduto in tre punti. L&amp;rsquo;8 novembre scorso l&amp;#39;asfalto &amp;egrave; stato ripristinato nei<span> </span>tre punti dove era collassato e sono state rimesse in posizione le scoline di cemento. Parte della terra erosa &amp;egrave; stata sostituita con massicce dosi di ghiaia misciata a secco col cemento e anche il ciglio della strada &amp;egrave; stato &amp;ldquo;rinforzato&amp;rdquo; con massicce dosi di ghiaia/cemento (gettata alla meno peggio) allo scopo di evitare che l&amp;rsquo;acqua possa tracimare nuovamante dal sedime stradale ed erodere quello che resta del rilevato.</span></p>  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%">Insomma, niente di nuovo sotto il sole di Latina! Un&amp;rsquo;opera pubblica appena costruita, inaugurata in pompa magna il 6 agosto scorso (con tanto di Sindaco e Presidente della Regione) <span>che </span>alla prima pioggia collassa! Povera Italia!!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-size: 14pt; line-height: 115%">NB: ho fatto decine di foto che documentano varie sciatterie. 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    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2014 17:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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	<author>Salvatore</author>
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    <title>Re: Non ci sono pił i costruttori di una volta (marcello)</title>
	<description>purtroppo il problema &amp;egrave; risentito in tutta italia, vedi genova, massa carrara. i lavori fatti bene in questo paese non ci saranno mai, diciamo che, anche se sembrano fatti bene le alluvioni sono peggiorate negli ultimi anni, causando non pochi problemi. il clima &amp;egrave; cambiato pi&amp;ugrave; avanti sar&amp;agrave; peggio.   

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    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2014 20:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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	<author>marcello</author>
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    <title>Re: Non ci sono pił i costruttori di una volta (Salvatore)</title>
	<description>Nel nostro caso il clima non c&amp;#39;entra: &amp;egrave; solo venuto gi&amp;ugrave; un normalissimo acquazzone!<br />

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    <pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2014 05:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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	<author>Salvatore</author>
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    <title>Re: Non ci sono pił i costruttori di una volta (solo89)</title>
	<description><p>Salve&amp;nbsp;</p><p>Vorrei porre alla vostra attenzione L&amp;#39;iniziativa della Regione Lazio Sul &amp;quot;Piano Mobilit&amp;agrave;&amp;quot; e l&amp;#39;interazione con i Cittadini.</p><p><span style="font-size: 9pt">Tramite tale sito si possono inoltrare &amp;nbsp;tutte le segnalazioni ritenute necessarie, riguardanti la Mobilit&amp;agrave; su tutto il territorio regionale. Quali anche i problemi di questa nuova struttura e le&amp;nbsp;</span>eventuali<span style="font-size: 9pt">&amp;nbsp;modifiche da apportare alle corsie &amp;quot;inesistenti &amp;quot; d&amp;#39;immissione alla S.S.148.</span></p><p>Sperando che tale funzione messa a disposizione per noi Cittadini non sia l&amp;#39;ennesima iniziativa finita male.</p><p>Spero di aver fatto cosa gradita.</p><p>Saluti&amp;nbsp;</p>

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    <pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2014 21:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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	<author>solo89</author>
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    <title>Re: Non ci sono pił i costruttori di una volta (Freddy)</title>
	<description><div class="xoopsQuote"><blockquote> <strong>solo89 ha scritto:</strong><br /><p>Salve&amp;nbsp;</p><p>Vorrei porre alla vostra attenzione L&amp;#39;iniziativa della Regione Lazio Sul &amp;quot;Piano Mobilit&amp;agrave;&amp;quot; e l&amp;#39;interazione con i Cittadini.</p><p><span style="font-size: 9pt">Tramite tale sito si possono inoltrare &amp;nbsp;tutte le segnalazioni ritenute necessarie, riguardanti la Mobilit&amp;agrave; su tutto il territorio regionale. Quali anche i problemi di questa nuova struttura e le&amp;nbsp;</span>eventuali<span style="font-size: 9pt">&amp;nbsp;modifiche da apportare alle corsie &amp;quot;inesistenti &amp;quot; d&amp;#39;immissione alla S.S.148.</span></p><p>Sperando che tale funzione messa a disposizione per noi Cittadini non sia l&amp;#39;ennesima iniziativa finita male.</p><p>Spero di aver fatto cosa gradita.</p><p>Saluti&amp;nbsp;</p><br /><br /></blockquote></div><p>Salve, grazie mille della segnalazione che terremo in forte considerazione. Davvero utile.<br /></p><p>La terremo informata.</p><p>Ancora grazie! <br /></p> 

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    <pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2014 21:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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	<author>Freddy</author>
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